E Bay Javelin

[Chris Spencer]

Back on E Bay due to none paying bidder is this 1953 Javelin - roadworthy & solid can be used as it is but also could be improved - the car is in Norwich - starting bid is £1,500 - 9 day auction - it deserves a good home - link below

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI. ... 6283229811

[Nick Webster]

There's a bit of a thread about the identity of this Javelin further down the listings. I'm trying to get along to look at it before the auction ends, but am having a little difficulty with communications and cancelled arrangements. I'll post an update if I find out anything of interest.

Nick Webster

[robert lintott]

Nick,, You have seen the previous posts on this car and various comments and opinions . Ideal if you could visit , it is always possible it will not reach reserve !

I called the vendor and sent him a question by email to try to find out the body number of the car but he would not pass it on My interest was to record a Javelin which we do not have complete details of . No car with its current number is in the JCC 2008 register but it probably had an original number . The seller said he did not know of one .

The other comments seem to confirm it is a Standard model , interesting to see if the number ends with S or D ---or even ES or ED ?

Best wishes Bob Lintott

[Nick Webster]

Visit now arranged for Friday afternoon.

Nick

[robert lintott]

Nick, just for clarity , when I refer to "current " and "original" number I mean registration number , regards Bob

[robert lintott]

According to ebay this Javelin has been sold at £2800. Maybe a new club member?

However , I have just heard from the vendor who confirms this car was UFC 6 at one time , apparently he got this info from Eden LIndsay. As you know I speculated this might be the case because it was registered on the date of UFC 6 and was green, but it seemed unlikely This is the car featured in Jowetter of April 1987, as the youngest Javelin known at that time . It is E2PE 24373---presumably an "s" model. The article described the owners as Slades Garage Chard Somerset who used it in Club Competition rallies.

If the new owner surfaces I can snd him a copy of the article . Also, when I spoke to Slades recently they were interested in hearing about UFC 6 so I will pass on the news. I hope NW still makes a visit tomorrow Bob Lintott

[Nick Webster]

Robert,

You must be looking at the first Ebay listing - although sold, the buyer defaulted and it has now been listed again, hence the fact I am able to go and see it tomorrow as arranged by telephone yesterday evening. If the seller has just contacted you I am surprised he did not mention this. At present it is "reserve not met" and I am wondering if the vendor might have raised it armed with the knowledge of previous bidding. I will have to reserve judgement on worth until I have had a look at it.

As regards identity, I will bear in mind the info you have supplied. In the 2002 register UFC 6 (E3) is described as a deluxe but this could be a mistake, albeit a surprising one in view of the lack of wooden dashboard. However I am well aware of some of the trim variations that are to be found regarding export cars returned to the factory & etc.

Nick

[robert lintott]

For Nick Webster. You are right, I had read the earlier ebay listing , the current one has some days to go . Even so the car is UFC 6 and was featured in the 1987 Jowetter. Willl be interesting to hear about your visit. Bob Lintott

[robert lintott]

For Nick Webster, further on the identity question, the 2008 register also has it as a "D" and as E2 PE whereas the 1987 Jowetteer article quotes it as E3 PE,and I notice you say E3 also. This can be resolved only by looking at the brass plate on the bulkhead. V5s are unreliable . Sequentially it looks more likely to be a E2, surrounded by other E2s in the Register. There is no doubt it is UFC 6 however Bob

[Nick Webster]

The 2008 Register is a curious piece of work. Many E3 Javelins are listed as E2 which is clearly a mistake. Compared with the previous edition, it also dropped a fair number of cars from its ranks - including mine.

I will write more about my trip to Norwich today, after dinner.

Nick

[Nick Webster]

Just to confirm that by inspection I can state that 691 UXC currently for sale on Ebay is indeed E3PE24373 - previously registered UFC 6. As far as I am aware, Standard Javelins do not have "S" appended after their commission number (although I think "D" is, if the car is a deluxe) so it can be sometimes confusing as to whether many features on cars are correct as original. I have no doubt that it is a Standard model, but it is fitted with deluxe leather seats, front door trims with arm rests and although there are two rear arm rests on the back parcel shelf, the slots to fit them into are not there. The trim by the passenger /driver's legs has also been changed to deluxe type. Although badly worn, the interior metal window surrounds appear to be wood effect, not plain paint as I might have expected. It has Deluxe bumpers - complete with holes for the rear number plate assembly, which is not fitted - the Standard version on the boot lid being present. It looks to me as if all these cosmetic changes were made a very long time ago. I hunted out the April 1987 copy of Jowetteer to check on the article where it is mentioned and in there it said that it had once been maroon, but I could not see any sign of this where I looked. In the boot I could make out evidence of the original jade green though.

I hesitate to mention my overall impressions of this car on the forum and cause a possible influence on the auction. Suffice it to say that it is always essential to view any car before biddling. This car has had a great deal of work to make it roadworthy and I guess that expenditure will affect aspirations as to it's value. Never the less, it is still in need of a great deal of further work but may suit someone quite nicely as a "rolling rebuild"

If anyone wants full details of my inspection please feel free to message me privately.

Nick Webster

[robert lintott]

Bidding has ended with a successfull bid of £2500. Bob

[robert lintott]

for Nick Webster, I hope UFC 6 has gone to a good home , hopefully the new owner will join JCC and try to get it up to good condition . It is still a late production car , in the 2008 register there are only about 20 cars with higher numbers. At the time it seems the distinction between S and D became blurred as Jowett used up whatever bits were available . Quite likely UFC left the factory as a mixture, all the D parts , including the facia and instruments can be fitted to an S with a bit of effort, or were so fitted by Jowett. It had D bumpers in the 1987 picture.

My own Javelin is a D --stamped on the plate-- but had S bumpers when I bought it ,and the rear no. plate on the boot lid , as if it always had been . I changed the bumpers, and in renovating the interior cleaned and painted the window trims in a plain chestnut colour , totally unable to reproduce the remains of the graining!

Best wishes Bob