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I made a base graphic file for jowett colors. When they are identified will be shown all more beautiful.
Any correction?
Saludos!
Thanks Moises Jr,
Even though the exact colour may not be right, it is good to see a guide to get us into the ball park. Important where we may not have even seen original paint samples.
Don't forget the plain Tampico Beige!
So is Golden Sand a darker version of Ivory? Anyone got a photo of a Golden Sand car?
Tim K
Lately I have a lot of work and I can not use the time i would like, but of course it can be a metallic color. As stated Keith, colour is a complex issue, a computer screen and TV spots of light are used to create colour, while painting is a mixture of basic colours, more similar to printing on paper. Some time ago I was studying artwork, then working ... its really hard to do the same colour several times, weighing the components to mix and get the colour, but lost one drop can change the colour tone.
It would be very useful to post examples of Jowetts with colours to obtain samples from them, whether images, links or plate numbers.
Golden Sand was a metallic colour and I think I am correct in thinking it was not dissimilar to that used on the Jaguar and Daimler MkII of the same name, ie a light metallic sandy colour.
I have photographed a couple of original panels - one Golden Sand and the other the green I keep asking about. However, try as I might, I can't figure out how to post an actual image into this reply which would be nice. So sorry about that. I took several views, all in natural light but to be honest all of them looked different on screen and none as useful as looking with my own eyes.
k. rogers wrote:Golden Sand was a metallic colour and I think I am correct in thinking it was not dissimilar to that used on the Jaguar and Daimler MkII of the same name, ie a light metallic sandy colour.
Thanks K. Rogers,
This is where an original mixing formula is important. The Jowett listing shows Golden sand as a P030 colour which is an opaque colour rather than a metalchrome colour. Metallic and PO30 don't match up! BALM Paints also show the colour under their 253 series which is for the opaque colours.
Having said that, I have a JKD Javelin that is exactly a metallic sandy colour so I am suspecting that there are two versions being a golden sand (opaque) and a golden sand metallic (or probably called metalchrome golden sand).
What a jigsaw puzzle?
If you email me the images, I can include in the latest Jowett Colours XLS file that I am maintaining (at this stage), as posted at the very start of the Jowett Colours discussion. tjnmkell@bigpond.net.au
SEE THE LATEST XL FILE COMPILATION OF CODES AND FORMULAS BEING MAINTAINED AT THE START OF THE DISCUSSION FORUM - PAGE 1 (Jowett Colours Version 1-B).
Do you have photographs of cars of the missing colours?
10 of potentially 21 original paint mixing formulas identified so far.
Seeking 11 more mixing formulas for Javelins and Jupiters.
No progress to date on original mixing formulas for Bradford and pre war cars (except for those painted in Javelin and Jupiter colours).
Tim K
Long before the days of the spectrometer - colour matching cards / swatches / chips along with paint identification codes and a large paint manufactures reference book was the only way of identifying the colour on the vehicle. The swatches were sometime known as variant books as these would detail not just the colour but all the variants of that colour - in some cases as many has 15 + variants could be available. The variant books / swatches was the paint code / formula / variant physically applied to light card and it was not unusual to have 250 / 300 cards in one book - in some cases single large manufactures had one book for their colour range and the smaller ones were in a A - Z of manufactures - these books can still be found - they appear on e bay now & again or at motoring memorabilia auctions - although finding early pre 1970's books is a rare occurrence but there is no reason for not printing the Jowett colours to swatch / card.
Of course the manufactures reference codes were useless if someone at some stage undertaken a colour change on the car - quite often the paint had to be tinted by eye in the bodyshop and this is not an easy task as the paint may dry darker once applied - test panels (usually 4" x 6" pieces of aluminium plate) were sprayed and left to dry before being checked / compared to the original panels on the car - if you were undertaking a complete respray of the vehicle the colour matching to individual panels was not critical but if you were just painting a section of the vehicle it could be a massive headache and in extreme cases I have seen an entire car repainted just to get the colour correct between the front wings and the rest of the car - some manufactures colours were hated in the bodyshop and could be seen to send the painters running to hide / book holidays or just ring in sick before the customers car got through the gates of the yard. - Ford Sapphire Blue Metallic & Fiat Steel Blue Metallic seam to vision well in my memory!
Jaguar Opalescent Golden Sand was metallic colour applied to their model range between 1965 - 1971 - it was never available as a solid / non metallic colour - Jowett Golden Sand I believe is colour unique to Jowett
27 Long 4 Tourer Oily Rag
37 Jowett 8 HP - In many parts
52 Javelin Std 'Taxi Livery'
52 Javelin Std Patina project
52 Javelin Std Sports project
52 Jupiter SA - Original car - full restoration project
54 Jupiter SA - project - shortly for sale
No, this car was repainted in the 1960s and I believe this is a Ford colour. Nigel should be able to confirm exactly which one, but this is not a Jowett colour. On the car there is, in a couple of hidden places, some of the original paint left though, and think it was a fairly bright greenish colour.
Jack.
Hi Nick and Jack,
I would agree that NXR 292 (being a variant from original) is probably based on Bottle Green Metallic but without comparing to original paint I guess it could also be based on British Racing Green Metallic or Metalchrome Turquoise Blue. Does anyone have good photos of cars in original /original matched BRG Metallic or Metalchrome Bottle Green?
I attach the colour of E2 PE JKD 111 which I am guessing is Metalchrome Turquoise Blue would you agree?
Hi Tim, my Javelin is in BRG metallic (visual match) to the original colour taken from an inner panel
on the car. After 60 years it must have altered but this is the the best we can do, I tried the ICI codes
mentioned in an earlier post but the colour was incorrect so I went for a visual match.
The paint I found to be almost a perfect match was Rover BRG metallic HNA 617
Thanks Alf,
I have included this example as a visual match for BRG Metallic in the XLS file being maintained at the start (Page 1 of this discussion).
I think a next step could be to separate visual matches from actual original paint samples in separate columns to ultimately show both for each colour.
Have also temporarily shown the XLS file here but will delete it at the next update to have just 1 version.
Tim K
Is possible that these are the colors of jowett about it is difficult to represent the metal and chrome accents. If there is any inconsistency tell me how to change the color chart.
Moises,
I think that chart gives a good idea of the colours, but of course cannot be used for matching paint which will have faded from the original unless it was buried under a covering. Even then, getting a colour match is extremely difficult, as Chris found out going through about six suppliers for his, using the latest technology and the old fashioned method by eye.
Since all colours are reflections of light, the colour of the light going in has a great affect. So cars can look different colours depending on their surroundings and the quality of the sun or artificial light.
Add to that the differences in all people's eyes and brains to interpret the signals then it is surprising how we could ever agree on colour.
Your interest in the forum: From 1962 to '63, CA Bradord LLG 125 (Repaired and used). From 1966 to '67 Black deLuxe Javelin LDF 738 (Scrapped with broken chassis) From 1967 to '87 Black de Luxe Javelin MKC 1 (later 6469TU). (Sold as non-runner with tons of spares, 1987) From about 1980 to '87 ex WD Jowett stationary engine. (Sold on) From 1966 to present, 1930 Long Four Fabric Saloon, Dark Blue / Black. Taken in a part-repaired state to the 2010 Centenary Rally, returned to a roadworthy state by 2013.
I have tripped over this post and I wonder if what I have heard is true or may be helpful?
In Javelins there is a rectangular trunk across the front bulkhead that is accessed by removing the oil reservoir at the top of the suspension.
Because this is in effect sealed and is unlikely to be exposed during a repaint, it is generally in good condition and will have the original paint colour.
Jowett Colours - Version 1-D.xlsx